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Originally Posted by ramkesh
let me correct you in some of the points that you raised:
-actually 7 out of 10 SEO professionals are having doubts about the presence of sandbox (some says that its just a myth or non-existing) and another thing, if ever sandbox is present, it has nothing to do with search engine algorithms unless the site domain is either expired or not updating it's content
- you can't call yourself such, why? because if simple SEO
you aren't that sure, how much more SMO, SEM and worse, ORM? (try to Google it for instance)
so if ever you write about SEO, try to ask SEO professionals and don't act as if you know their stuff or you're in their shoes |
Thank you for pointing out your personal point of view, Ramkesh, as I understand different people have different perspectives on elements like
SEO.
As opposed to your statement If Google Sandbox actually exist, we do not know for sure. If it does or it doesn't, we'd classify things in Layman's terms for people to further understand terms like these. Simplistic terms are sometimes a better way to further tell users so that they can input something like (define:algorithm) on Google's query's box or, search on any online dictionary and understand it in a line or two.
I wouldn't quantify such a figure (7 out of 10) as to the beliefs of Google Sandbox's existence. While we all know that (sorry mates, I have to be a little techy), a search Algorithm exists within the engine, as it's the core of their processing and problem solving equations, somehow in simple terms, there are dampening factors to whichever we'd like to see - Ranking, traffic, relevancy, etc etc.
While most of the engines today further understand people's minds and concepts, and try to solve people's problems by just one string of keyword, for example, "Malaysian statistics", if you notice the first 10 results on the SERP(Search Engine Results Page) returns relevant information to the keyword Malaysian statistics, as opposed to just people trying to
SEO for top ranking (commercial purposes). Wikipedia is present, other economic sites are present, some commercial businesses are present, and also banks and/or banking sites appear.
How is this justifiable to your statement? Well, it's not always true that when you read from sites speaking of
SEO or SEM, (which encompasses SMO at the same time, but we'll get to that later), experts are always right - Their suggestions and findings are not entirely accurate also, because Google's very secretive of their 'gold'. And it's through experimentation, conceptualization and research, then a hypothesis is formed - Before it comes to being a theory, which is not subjective anymore.
For not updating it's content part, you can always bring it to certain factors such as the cache page, size of the page, link quality, ups and downs of market trends, marketing strategies change, and so forth. It's not exactly the best way to point out that algorithms do not have any connection to domain expiry or less updated content. Those are two factors also, but the algorithm takes into hundreds of many other factors. Let me give you a brief idea of a few.
Algorithm factors:
Problem #1
Webmasters worry C-block (Class C) IPs will be penalized due to duplicate problems or spammy link exchanges from a same IP address. Therefore, they recommend webmasters to host in different IP addresses.
Solution:
Not if you do it correctly. IP addresses go this way: AAA.BBB.CCC.DDD, and is divided into Class A, Class B, Class C. I'm just going to talk about class C, as Class A & B are for small sized networks and is not very largely used.
Class C IP addresses varies on the CCC octet, as compared to the variable figure that DDD shows. DDD's octet are basically assigned users (top level, can be the host) to many other Dynamic addresses. All you need to know is:
If your site is hosted on..
AAA.BBB.111.001
And you have duplicate content & massive link exchange also on
AAA.BBB.111.002, then you'd have a slight problem. It's better to have:
AAA.BBB.112.001 linking to/duplicated on AAA.BBB.111.001, because the Class C (block octet) is already different. At the moment for duplicate content, Google will only pick the best (based on their factors again), and index only one, where another one will be penalized (if it's an obvious spamming method - We're talking about duplication spam here).
The conclusion? Get another free site out there to post your duplicate content. If you're doing for your website on different domains, always choose a local host (country specific) and host there on the country specific domain. (Let's not talk about *.ASIA).
Problem #2
Duplicated content on different domains - How does it work and what are the penalties/things I should know?
I'm sure, Ramkesh, that you're aware of TLDs. (Top level domains). There are many types of TOP level domains, such as GENERIC top level domains gTLD (*.com, *.net), country-code (specific) top level domains ccTLD (*.com.my, *.com.au) and many more.
While I'd tell my clients (in order to not confuse them), that gTLDs for the same content, should follow this:
Hosted on a different server geographical location (IP address)
Get a country specific domain (ccTLD)
Get a landing page that's directive to country specific sites (such as SonyEricsson.com)
Or build individual sets of sites which are totally different and has unique content.
It'll be easier to do the first two, as it requires minimal spending only. There are many other factors residing to duplicate content, and I don't think I can highlight all of them here. Rome isn't built in a day.
As you can see, Sandbox is termed SANBOX because of its relevance to computer security. In layman's terms, SANDBOX is more of like a mechanism, structure or tool that has many features. Even Anti Viruses have their own Sandbox in their products. Alpha versions of programs usually implement and refine their sandbox before they actually release the beta version.
For Google, their sandbox may come from different perspectives of what people can think of. I don't deny your idea of Google Sandbox, but you also have to weigh certain factors (on your own research) to support your clauses, or it becomes valueless to the general public. While my definition to relate Sandbox to Algorithm remains erect, I'd gladly say that this term is used to let people understand in a figure where their knowledge of this particular technology is limited.
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Before we start on another topic - SMO (Social Media Optimization), which I'd point out my personal view, let me talk about ORM in a short manner. It's a little too long of a post here already, and I'm deeply sorry to everyone for that.
While I'd say ORM is more to Conceptual Modeling (which has to do with the algorithm as we speak), it's a game where you can decide to set aside for a while (not to say just avoid it) but to understand its definition, ideas and works, and that's it. Simple answers can always be obtained logically for your query at Keyword tools. Keyword tools like Keyword Discovery, Wordtracker, Google/Yahoo/MSN keyword tools employ such technology, even to the models of their search engine and also PPC programs.
While I'd employ such only to people who wants clarification, I wouldn't speak of that just to impress professionals. It takes a lot of hard work, research, creativity and understanding to talk to people in layman's terms.
Data mining has been done very massively by Google over the years (if you check your logs, you'll find out more. And also dive deeper into applications, web-based services, data logs; connecting them with the manner of commercial, industrial, service and manufacturing). That's not quite that important, as you'll learn to adhere to that once you've gained quite a bit of knowledge on it.
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SMO (Social Media Optimization) is a term I wouldn't use, because to me, I balance both figures (quantifiable, justifiable and logical) with technical inputs of
SEO Consultancy. While I can't say it's under SEM (Search Engine Marketing) for the simple fact that not all SERPs return to video results; (Let's just talk about videos here) users still (at larger quantities) will find videos in video sites as compared to search engines, unless they want variations and also do not have a path. I'd recommend you to check out Jupiter Research and buy some of their reports, if you have some budget to spend.
Many other social media patterns can be seen, and optimizing them has one main objective - AIDA (Attention, Interest, Desire, Act to Call). For all various medias. If you flip the star newspaper today and look at ads, you'll get what I mean.
Why I'd call myself an online marketing strategist is this - Not only I provide ideas for online marketing strategies (for all the Search Marketing purposes and any other organic online marketing works), I'd also dive into the business of these clients of mine and say, "Hey, if you do this, you can get link baits... etc etc.. OFFLINE."
I don't jump in only as a consultant to the online world, but I also integrate real-life experiences offline to further connect them with the online world - Only in times where I feel there's a need to improve their business and I can see their yearly budgets.
I appreciate your feedback, Ramkesh. It's great to be in the ideal world, but it's a simple fact that due to many variation of possibilities that can occur in life, it's sometimes better to do a smart chase rather than dropping, slacking or just following.
Thank you for your time.
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